W-P-S 2008-11-14 12:13:10

lol
u putted
all da video game characters
in a truck
dat is so funy!
how do u com up with dat?!!?!!?!!??

pirtaral 2008-11-14 12:38:00

If Tom was going to prohibit the unoriginal swill on this site from winning awards, he would have done it long ago. The problem is the majority of the user base goes towards the game observations with sub par animation over original, well drawn, well thought out movies. Therefore their voice is louder. And as it seems Tom listens to the louder voice.
We also can't rely on the userbase for the better either because things are more likely to get worse.

Maybe someday Newgrounds will honor the greater videos over what gets honored now, but for now if you want to be appreciated for artistic merit then you will have to submit your work to other sites. It is a huge shame really, because Newgrounds is a great site, just the users ruin it.

Emanhattan 2008-11-14 13:16:35

As Time passses by, I cant help but hate these parody things, and start being more attracted to original content. It is an evolutive process.

I dont really think a videogame parody is NECESARILY bullshit for the sake of being one. hans van harken and jhonny utah are good examples of how can you make something great and that its obvious had effort put in. but when you make a million crappy frame by frame animations and shit, and even sell stuff like if it was your own... well. there´s the problem.

As for sprite movies. I think... I am more inclined to agree with what you said ... sadly. There are so many crappy animators winning shit. I tought peole liked my sprite movies because of my humor, but obviously there is a hughe impact on the user thanks to videogames.

I was a kid once too you know? I know how it feels like to see a videogame character in a flash. werent you a fan of randy solem when you started making sprite movies blordow?

but times change and so do us.

I do think these exists a very evident favoritism towards egoraptor and kirbopher for example.

2 days ago my cousin said the most retarded thing ever.
he saw brawl taunts and he said it was awesome lol rofl.

then, about 30 minutes later, I showed him metroplois circuit and he said it was not original and it was boring and that guys in skaters or whatever has been done a million times before.

I wanted to break his face in the wall.

NhollowWearthO 2008-11-14 13:16:41

well im just a self teacher and still kinda new first year anyways. and i would say my stuff if origanal, and the more i make tha fucken better they will be. I got a new style im working on, fbf is much more lovley to me now.

Emanhattan 2008-11-14 13:20:38

SECOND TOUGHT

and this is something you will all have to agree with.

how come NOTHING by rtil or by Leafworthy is one of the 50 best of all time?

lenkalamari 2008-11-14 13:25:54

"how come NOTHING by rtil or by Leafworthy is one of the 50 best of all time?"

Because of the hyperactive voting nowadays the top 50 is constantly shifting,

when things settle you'll probably see Circuit or Move your Feet up there.

RatherRandomReality 2008-11-14 13:29:04

If you are a web flash artist and you need encouragement to be original this is a problem already, you should quit what you're doing and go work for a corporate bastard who tells you what to do.

Korgha 2008-11-14 13:38:08

I can see where you're coming from, but i have to disagree with a few points.
I think that although alot of parodies and sprite movies are unoriginal and boring (mine included), there are some really good examples which I don't think should be disqualifyed. Take 'Chris and Harry' for example. It was a giant DBZ parody adding to the thousands we already have, but it was really well executed and I could honestly give it a 10. With sprite films, although the art is not their own, the animation and storyline can still make for an interesting watch which may deserve a prize. Orginality is good, but difficult, and if every beginner had to come up with a completely new idea every time they wanted to make a flash with a chance of winning something, it would put them off. At least when something original is created it is usually recognised here.

Just a few thoughts...

Korgha 2008-11-14 13:41:00

Oh, and i think we shouldn't be elitist and only let people of high levels or achievements review. After all this is 'Everything, by Everone' and that includes points of view. It wouldn't be a bad idea to increase reviewing power of people who actually contribute though...

Ukinojoe 2008-11-14 13:48:19

I MADE A PAROGIE ONCE

BETCHA HATE ME

Dylawrence 2008-11-14 13:54:37

I, Dylan Lawrence... Hereby vow to make an original flash-NO... TWO original flash movies to every parody/sprite movie!

C'mon Newgrounders... we can all do our part, and give those much deserved baby steps toward originality! WHO'S WITH ME?

Emanhattan 2008-11-14 13:57:09

This parody problem on ng sorta reminds me of global warming problem.

we all waste and pollute, so its time to give something back to the earth by plainting a tree or two!

in the case of newgrounds, make an original thing.

Dylawrence 2008-11-14 14:02:29

Actually this is kinda like Television right now... the reality shows are taking over and getting good ratings.

Why? because this new generation is attracted to familiarity... meaning they can relate, and are more entertained by things that can happen to them, or sparks a memory in their feeble little noggins.

Why do Newgrounders like videogame parodies? Same reason... they instantly get that familiar fix of childhood memories!

BMack24 2008-11-14 14:22:16

hey its the internetz buddy... can't expect that the place will be full of deep-thinking artistic types.

squeakytoad 2008-11-14 15:12:59

I'm with Tom on this one. He's doing everything he possibly can to make things work. He's not dishing out money to the sprites, and he's giving quality work as prominent a spot as possible. He does whatever he can to promote overlooked masterpieces (ie a MILLION treasure hunt contests).

Aside from that, there's nothing that can be done.

Just stop worrying too much about it. Gripe a little here, whine a little there (the best way to keep the sprite animators feeling uncomfortable), but at the end of the day, just leave it be.

Do your part to let them know they're not the least bit legitimate, but beyond that, let it rot in its own corner. Let's put our efforts to creating stuff; these constant suggestions of how to radically revolutionize Newgrounds get old fast and never produce any decent results other than to make fanboys whine, anti-fanboys whine more, and Tom feel bad because his efforts aren't appreciated.

squeakytoad 2008-11-14 15:18:14

Also, guys above, don't concern yourself with the top fifty anymore. It doesn't mean anything.
I think I was talking with Hans about this, and we both agreed, as it is these days, we could make a cartoon in a single afternoon that could rank in the top fifty.

Oh, and guess what... he proved our hypothesis. (See "Awesome's Creed".)

It's just a "quick list" for an instant fix for kids wanting something that will suit their tastes without having to look too hard.
It's not actually a compilation of quality and deserving animations and games ranked in order of talent and ability shown through those works.

sirjeffofshort 2008-11-14 15:20:23

I'm not entirely sure I agree with the overall assessment of newgrounds sad state of affairs. I still think that Newgrounds is one of the better places to get your work hosted and seen.

I recently released an 'original content' short and recieved a fair ammount of good feedback and positive comments. I recieved far more views than I ever would have releasing at most other popular community sharing sites, and I came out of with with a great ammount of information about what people liked and would like to see more of.

Albiet I do not care much about awards and prizes (don't get me wrong, I am utterly thankfull to Tom and the NG crew for any award or prize I have or may in the future win, I just find the instant feedback and exposure in and of itself to be a far better reward), therefore I am not so focused on who is doing better than myself and wether of not they deserve it (again, not trashing people who think that way, It is just not a concern of mine.)

I think the people who develop original content will later in their careers reap their own rewards. If you spend countless hours on a sprite or videogame parody movie, it may do tremendously well on the internet, but the sad truth is (with few exceptions) that you will never be able to license or sell your work without severe legal backlash.

I admit that my overall goal in submitting to newgrounds is to gain perspective from my proposed audience on a series that I am in development on, so my goals may be different from the average NG user, but through this I have come to find that there is room on Newgrounds for all kinds of content, and although it may at times seem like a middle school cafeteria with thousands of adolescents screaming over eachother about their favorite rehashed jokes and characters, there is definitely room for quality original content as well.

I guess my attitude on the whole thing is, let the children have their jokes, let them have their fun and games, it doesn't hurt anyone and it is an important part of growing up and growing as an artist. The important thing is to focus on your work and ways to make it work for you. You will never (once again, with few exceptions) gain a bountiful income or immense notaritety from posting on newgrounds alone, however those with a mature mind, original content, and a bit of a creative thought process towards marketing themselves can find Newgrounds to be an incredibly usefull tool in building a name and career for themselves.

Egoraptor 2008-11-14 16:32:38

Make the shit you want. Ratings are superficial. Everybody knows this stop whining .

If you make original stuff that is good, people will follow suit because they will be inspired by your work.

If prize money is favorable towards original work wouldn't the the desire then be driven by monetary gain more than desire to make original toons anyway?

It is up to YOU to make stuff that is not shit. Everyone who complains about this stuff DOES NOT DO IT because they're too busy COMPLAINING to work on something worth a shit.

PKforce323 2008-11-14 16:55:29

TL;DR but this is the problem that is makeing Newgroudns being turned into a peiace of crap.

Gerkinman 2008-11-14 17:11:30

Technically its illegal for any flash that contain copyrighted music or characters to win money anyway, and while music still does occur sometimes the character thing has slowly been pushed out, thats why Alvin didnt win anything for his latest atrocity. The fact is tho, NG needs sprites and video game garbage to bring in the traffic that allows Tom to give out prizes in the first place.And even if original content was to be pushed forward even more, most submissions would end up being bad family guy style sitcoms, because thats all the kids seem to like, and thats all the kids know how to make.