MindChamber 2008-11-26 17:40:53

Btw Im not trying to single you out, everyone needs to do this, preaching on in text wont change anything, you need to make a change by example, if more original entertaining content was made then more artists would be influenced by them.

its really just that easy

MindChamber 2008-11-30 16:41:29

its all well and good that you've moved on from sprite flashes, but the truth of the matter is, you made them, and quite a few I might add. and Why? because maybe you weren't sure of your own artwork and just wanted to test the flash waters? or maybe you just needed some encouragement, and easy 5s from a sprite movie was juts enough motivation to go at it on your own.

whatever the gay reason you have for making sprite movies, it still stands, you made them to have fun, you made them to learn flash, you made them to get encouragement.

and you are being quite the douchbag posting this and trying to forbid anyone else from testing the flash waters such as you have. If simply have aimed your attacks at the few people who refuse to grow from flash movies, your case would be even smaller.

how about looking at it that way.

ChillyCheese 2008-11-30 17:51:05

I made a parody once, but I was making fun of some newgrounds flash that was really bad. Not many people got the joke.

MindChamber 2008-11-30 21:18:58

what's with the childish reply?

I think I made a fair point, and you fag out when you dont have justifiable response?
I actually thought you were trying to make a serious point with your blog,
I realize now you where just following a fad. forgive me for considering you an equal.

Bomber109 2008-11-30 21:34:29

I disagree. (And that's not because I enjoy making sprite movies.)

I have never really experienced a situation where somebody rated a movie high because Mario was in it. While this may occur with less common characters, who seldom appear in a cartoon, I have yet to experienced it.

And also, take notice that animating sprites take work. While it may be easier than frame by frame, it still is work, and therefore sprite animators are entitled to rewards.

Anyway, some people just aren't good enough at drawing to animate a beautiful, original skit. Take them into consideration.

TheMexicanMuffinMan 2008-11-30 21:59:18

Don't give a damn about what happens with other people and you'll be a much happier person.

MindChamber 2008-11-30 23:05:23

Because of the audience, hard working original flashes are being overshadowed by these other submissions."

See the thing is, this isn't really true. A lot of original works are either quirky, very personal, or simply flawed. and Well its up to the artist to make the flashes that much more phenomenal. And well, thats just goes with the territory. See if you make a sprite movie, and or a parody, and the animation is shit, it still works, because you are making a joke based on something everyone can relate to.
When you make an original piece of flash, you cant really expect everyone to just appreciate just because its "original". At this point your piece needs to be exciting and have a certain level of polish, its an extra hurdle everyone has to overcome if they want to go the "original" route. Obviously the average viewer will be more disenchanted with your original piece, because there is no association with it.
and thats why you must over come that obstacle yourself with your submission.

asking the audience to basically Love your flash as you would any mario submission is ridiculous. BUT.. its not impossible.
as is the case with Adam Phillips, and the There she is series. it can be done.
and without the unnecessary text walls.

BTW telling the audience to grow up and ignore these sprite movies basically means alot of people new to flash wouldn't get the encouragement they might need to keep going. now image if some asshat decided to post what you just did, and it caught on, just around the time you were learning flash, and everyone decided to give your wack ass sprite submissions zero's across the board, filed away from public eye like you want them to be, you seriously think you wouldve been encouraged to do more after that warm reception?

MindChamber 2008-12-01 07:39:44

In the end though, it is up to each individual where they're going to go with their flashes"

Exactly. In the end its up to the artist, not the audience. and if the artist is too weak minded to move foward, thats no one's fault but the artist.

"The audience does play a huge part on what direction they take."

maybe for the ones that dont care, and those are too few and far in-between.
in the end preaching to the audience on what to like, is selfish, and silly.

MattheP 2009-09-28 18:21:47

I'm not sure I understand your problem with Sprites. If there's a great story, amazing animation, and some well thought out points, why not let it get what it deserves? I mean, look at your sprite animation series, "Escape to Snow Path". It's an amazingly well done Animation for its time (And is still great even now!), and people are STILL rating it and praising it. NOT because it's Chrono Trigger (Although there are people there who did, but the same would happen with "Original Work". Look at the Audio Portal if you need more proof of it, people compare original composers to Video Game music.), but because of it's great plot, good Voice Acting, and smooth Animations.

Look at Granfaloon, for example. He's got both Original, and Paradical works. BOTH are up in the 4's as far as rating is. And both were in the Top 50's for a time (I think they are now). Bigfoot has several Paradies with Sprites, but his animations are smooth, attractive, and the music goes very well as are the sound effects.

I find it unfair you completely get rid of Sprites from animations, when Sprite movies are more heavily rated than anything else. You don't realize how many "Itz sprite. 0 bad." there are on Newgrounds. Sprites aren't that easy to do (as i've seen) to the callibur of say... "Super Mario Bros. Z" or "Final Fantasy: Sonic X" or heck, even "LoL: Oh Yes, and Spiders" where all of the Link sprites were custom made and the humor amazing. I especially want to reference LoL, seeing as there are no "Cock Jokes", "Overused Cursing", or even tons of death. But clean, very well done humor. Give it a look.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but Sprite movies can be really well done, like yours are. In fact, i've seen them when they first came out about 5 years ago, and I still remember the laughs and kicks I got out of "Wario Gets Straight", or as stated before "Escape to Snow Path" which I thought was amazing back then (which is my reason of seeing this post, I recentally wanted to see them again).

I feel a balance of the two would be a great thing. Make some good Sprite movies, with a mix of Animated Cartoons as you've done. A good artist can adapt to the audience, and doing both would make everyone happy. Granfaloon does all drawn work, but a clever mix of parodies, and original (His Red Riding Hood Flash was a clever look at the story Little Red Riding Hood).

But, what it all comes down to is opinion. There will always be haters of EVERYTHING. But you must think: Originality is VERY hard to come by, let alone GOOD ones. Why do you think in the Gaming District, GOOD original games are scarce (Which is why Mirror's Edge and The World Ends With You did so well, they were great original games!), and old games, rehashed (TMNT Turtles in Time Re-Shelled, Bionic Commando, Megaman 9, etc.) are also being released in bulk.

Just bare with it, if an Original Animation is good, people will notice it. If a Sprite Movie is bad, people will rate it down. Bashing on Spriters who spend hours, upon days, heck, years on a Sprite Flash and get good ratings for their hard work isn't the way to go, as i'm sure you wouldn't like "OMG Animation is bad, you should sprite again. 0/10." reviews as Spriters are getting lately. Just bare with it. I'm sure things'll look up.